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Now with more and more #instances upgraded to version 4.2.0 of #Mastodon, you can compare full text #search on different ones: Having multiple accounts, I did – and yes, the differences are rather big.
Once again it seems clear, the bigger your instance the better for finding content in the #fediverse. Especially for journalists, this also implies, that an instance by your organization might not be the best idea. Something like journa.host could make more sense.
@mho @feditips @tchambers sounds like relays are the proper place to handle search. What if a relay offered public search endpoints?
I'm also pretty sure The Vocal Elders of The Fediverse will try to kill that for being a search index. (Been there done that).
@berkes @mho @feditips @tchambers
If the only posts indexed are those by users who opted in for search, I do hope The Vocal Elders would not mind.
@joosteto @mho @feditips @tchambers That in itself greatly reduces the usefullness of a search, though. Opt-in means 1) only those servers who have the features to set that opt-in will participate and 2) only those people who know and care about the feature will be included.
I firmly remain of the opinion that if you **publish** data on the *public* fediverse, you are in no position to demand which clients, apps, and tech people use to consume your data.
Yes, I understand that. But this was debated many times and many, many users see that differently. I think, the different approach is a good compromise.
@mho I think the only "solution" is either to continue this stalemate or someone who doesn't give a rats ass building it anyway.
You see, there's nothing preventing malicious actors from ingesting the fediverse. But there are many ways to prevent goodwilling actors from doing this
@berkes
There were multiple attempts, as far as I remember, and every time the backlash was too big to keep doing it. The only solutions, that were deemed acceptable, were with an opt-in. I think, nobody would want to try it again in the near future 
@mho We were one of those attempts with @flockingbird . We gave up, despite hundreds of people cheering for us. Because a handful of people were campaigning (bullying, threatening) just a bit too hard.
I'm sure this will happen several more times, until someone just ignores the bullies and presses through.
@berkes
Ah, I understand. Well, Google already bullies through, doesn't it?
@mho hmm. How is the fact that Google acts like crap, any excuse to allow people on the fediverse to act like crap?
@berkes
You said, that you gave up because of the bullying and I just meant, that there is already someone scraping the data and not waiting for the Fediverse to allow it. Every time someone is forced to give up their project, it is ignored, what Google does. I think, that weakens arguments against such an indexing.
@mho ah. Sorry. I entirely misread (and therefore misunderstood) your comment. Sorry.
But yes, I completely agree. Google (and OpenAi, Yahoo, Yandex) and probably a few hundreds of social-media-data-services are quietly eating up the fediverse that we try so hard to protect.
@berkes
Exactly..